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Episode 157: Love and Narcissism

March 26, 2026 Laura London

Susan E. Schwartz, Ph.D. is a Jungian psychoanalyst and clinical psychologist working with people analytically worldwide.

She holds a master’s degree in social work from Boston University and a Ph.D. in clinical psychology from The Union Institute and University. She trained as a Jungian psychoanalyst at the C.G. Jung Institute in Zürich, Switzerland, where she earned a Diploma in Analytical Psychology – the degree of a Jungian analyst – in 1986.

For many years, Dr. Schwartz taught developing Jung groups in Poland and South Africa for the International Association for Analytical Psychology (IAAP) and has been a course instructor at both the C.G. Jung Institute Zürich and the International School of Analytical Psychology in Zürich (ISAPZURICH). She presents on the many issues related to her writings.

She has had numerous articles published in journals, and as book chapters, on topics including fathers and daughters, fathers and sons, narcissism, Echo, aging, Sylvia Plath, French psychoanalysts Julia Kristeva and André Green, the puella archetype, and the fascist mind. She has presented at several congresses of the IAAP including “The ‘Dead Mother’ Effect on a Daughter” in Montreal in 2010, “Narcissism, Aging, Anima Mundi” in Kyoto in 2016, “Narcissism: Psychological Oneness Excluding Love of the Other” in Vienna in 2019, “Who Am I, Really?” in Buenos Aires in 2022, and “Narcissism and Self-Deception” in Zürich in 2025.

Dr. Schwartz is the author of five books on analytical psychology, all published by Routledge. Her first book, The Absent Father Effect on Daughters: Father Desire, Father Wounds, published in 2020, was the subject of our second episode together, Episode 76. She later joined us on Episode 125 to discuss her second book, Imposter Syndrome and the ‘As-If’ Personality in Analytical Psychology: The Fragility of Self, published in 2023. And last year, Dr. Schwartz returned to talk about her third book, A Jungian Exploration of the Puella Archetype: Girl Unfolding, in Episode 136.

She returns to us today to discuss her latest book, An Analytical Exploration of Love and Narcissism: The Tragedy of Isolation and Intimacy, published in June of 2025. And next month we will welcome her back to look at her forthcoming book, Absent Fathers, Yearning Sons: A Jungian Analysis of the Father-Son Dynamic, scheduled to be released by Routledge on May 13th.

This interview was recorded on Wednesday, March 25, 2026. It’s 55:57 long and 53.7 MB. You can listen to it right here in your browser (click the play button in the bar below) or download it directly to your computer. You can also watch the video edition on our YouTube channel.

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SHOW NOTES

Susan E. Schwartz, Ph.D. Official website

IAAP Congress Proceedings Publications from the triennial IAAP Congresses from Daimon Verlag

Speaking of Jung, Ep. 40 Our first episode together, recorded on Jan. 17, 2019

Other interviews with Dr. Schwartz about this book:

  • Begin Again with Maria Nazdrava

  • The Dream Journal with Katherine Bell

  • Negotiate Your Best Life Show with Rebecca Zung 

  • The Meaningful Life with Andrew G. Marshall Podcast 

See our Books page for a complete list of The Collected Works of C.G. Jung

Metamorphoses by Ovid; includes the myth of Narcissus and Echo (Book III, lines 339–510)

On Narcissism: An Introduction by Sigmund Freud

Narcissism and Character Transformation: The Psychology of Narcissistic Character Disorders by Nathan Schwartz-Salant, Ph.D., Jungian analyst

Julia Kristeva Official website

Julia Kristeva Professor Emerita at the Université Paris 7 – Denis Diderot (France), Honorary member of the Leibniz Center for Literary and Cultural Research (ZfL)

André Green Institute of Psychoanalysis

André Green Obituary: Life and Death of the Dead Father by Rosine Jozef Perelberg

Civilization in Transition Vol. 10 of the Collected Works of C.G. Jung (Quote is from the essay, “The Spiritual Problem of Modern Man”)

Nietzsche’s Zarathustra: Notes of the Seminar Given in 1934-1939 by C.G. Jung (Abridged Kindle Edition)

NOTE: Jung’s seminar on Nietzsche’s Zarathustra will be republished by Routledge on Oct. 6, 2026. You can preorder now from Amazon US: Volume 1 | Volume 2

BOOKS BY SUSAN SCHWARTZ

Couples at the Crossroads: Five Steps to Finding Your Way Back to Love with Daniela Roher, Ph.D. (Independent, 2012)

Aging & Becoming: A Reflective Enquiry with Susan Scott (Independent, 2017)

The Absent Father Effect on Daughters: Father Desire, Father Wounds (Routledge, 2020)

Imposter Syndrome and the ‘As-If’ Personality in Analytical Psychology: The Fragility of Self (Routledge, 2023)

A Jungian Exploration of the Puella Archetype: Girl Unfolding (Routledge, 2024)

An Analytical Exploration of Love and Narcissism: The Tragedy of Isolation and Intimacy (Routledge, 2025)

Absent Fathers, Yearning Sons: A Jungian Analysis of the Father-Son Dynamic (Routledge, 2026)

EPISODES WITH SUSAN SCHWARTZ

Episode 40 ~ Susan E. Schwartz on the puella, fathers and daughters, aging, and narcissism

Episode 76 ~ The Absent Father Effect on Daughters

Episode 125 ~ Imposter Syndrome and the As-If Personality

Episode 136 ~ The Puella Archetype

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