Episode 42: Jung's Map of the Soul

UPDATE: This episode has been transcribed and translated into Korean by Moonye Books and into Vietnamese by Thread Vtrans. Scroll down to “After the Episode” for links to articles and videos that mention this interview.

Murray Stein, Ph.D. is an American Jungian analyst and author currently working as a training and supervising analyst at the International School of Analytical Psychology in Zürich, Switzerland.

He holds a Master of Divinity from Yale University, a Diploma in Analytical Psychology (the degree of a Jungian analyst) from the C.G. Jung Institute Zürich, and a Ph.D. in religion and psychological studies from the University of Chicago.

Dr. Stein was the founding member and first president of the Chicago Society of Jungian Analysts, one of the founding members of the Inter-Regional Society of Jungian Analysts, and is an honorary member of the C.G. Jung Institute of Chicago.

He served as president of the International Association for Analytical Psychology from 2001 to 2004 and for the International School of Analytical Psychology Zürich from 2008 to 2012. He also served as editor and publisher at Chiron Publications from 1983 to 2014. Currently, Dr. Stein is a training and supervising analyst at the International School of Analytical Psychology in Zürich.

He is the author of many books and articles, including In Midlife: A Jungian Perspective, Transformation: Emergence of the Self, The Bible as Dream: A Jungian Interpretation, and, along with Dr. Thomas Arzt, is the editor of the 3-volume series, Jung’s Red Book for Our Time: Searching for Soul Under Postmodern Conditions, published by Chiron.

His book, Jung’s Map of the Soul: An Introduction, published by Open Court in 1998, is currently a #1 Best Seller due to its recognition by the band BTS, and it is the subject of our talk today.

This interview was recorded on Saturday, March 23, 2019. It’s 01:02:29 long and 64.8 MB. You can listen to it right here in your browser or download it directly to your computer. This episode is also available on iTunes (Apple Podcasts), StitcherGoogle Play, TuneIn, and Spotify.


Map Of The Soul: PERSONA Upcoming music CD by BTS, available Apr. 12, 2019

Jung’s Map of the Soul: An Introduction by Murray Stein, Ph.D.

Full Speech that RM of BTS Gave at the United Nations YouTube video

Remarks by BTS’ Kim Nam Jun (RM) at the Launch of Generation Unlimited at the UN General Assembly Transcript of speech

How BTS Is Taking Over the World TIME, Oct. 10, 2018

Laura London on Twitter

Murray Stein on Twitter

BTS ARMY Help Centre on Twitter

Big Hit Shop Dr. Stein’s book, Jung’s Map of the Soul, for sale in Korean

Demian by Hermann Hesse

The Art of Loving by Erich Fromm

The Red Book: Liber Novus by C.G. Jung

The C.G. Jung Institute of Korea

Professor Lee Bu-Young em. Bou-Yong Rhi, MD, Ph.D. Founder of the C.G. Jung Institute of Korea

BTS World Tour “Love Yourself: Speak Yourself” Meetup at Soldier Field in Chicago on May 11th


A Changing God Image: What Does It Mean?

ISAP Zürich: A Journey with Isabelle Meier, Paul Brutsche, & Deborah Egger

Jung’s Treatment of Christianity: The Psychotherapy of a Religious Tradition

Minding the Self: Jungian Meditations on Contemporary Spirituality

Outside Inside & All Around: And Other Essays in Jungian Psychology by Murray Stein, Ph.D.

Practicing Wholeness: Analytical Psychology & Jungian Thought

Solar Conscience Lunar Conscience: An Essay on the Psychological Foundations of Morality, Lawfulness, & the Sense of Justice

Soul: Treatment & Recovery The selected works of Murray Stein

The Principle of Individuation: Toward the Development of Human Consciousness


Murray Stein’s website

Speaking of Jung, Ep. 9 Laura London visited Dr. Stein at his office in Zürich in 2015 to record this episode

An Introduction to Jung’s Life & Work by Murray Stein, a free audio download from the C.G. Jung Institute of Chicago

Murray Stein in Conversation with Stefano Carpani “Breakfast in Küsnacht” video series on YouTube, Oct. 2018

How BTS Are Breaking K-Pop’s Biggest Taboos Rolling Stone, May 29, 2018

BTS Won’t Cure My Depression, But Loving Them Helps Me Cope FLARE, Dec. 27, 2018

Promotional Video by the BTS Army Help Centre


Vietnamese Translation by Thread Vtrans

Map of the Soul – Persona: Our Many Faces New book by Murray Stein, Ph.D.; published by Chiron on Apr. 16, 2019

Speaking of Jung: Ep. 44 Murray Stein provides us with a Jungian interpretation of Map of the Soul: Persona by BTS, Apr. 14, 2019

Track-by-Track Analysis of BTS’ Map of the Soul: Persona CelebMix article by Ayushi, Apr. 13, 2019

Korean Translation The Korean publisher of Jung’s Map of the Soul – Moonye Books in Seoul, South Korea – has transcribed and translated this episode into Korean, Apr. 9, 2019

BTS Set for New Discographic Journey of Self-Exploration Inspired by Psychiatrist Carl Jung Yonhap News story by Park Boram mentions this episode, Apr. 9, 2019

Tong Tong TV Mention of this episode on Korea’s Yonhap News, Apr. 3, 2019 (YouTube video)

Tweet by @ktaebwi “Publisher of the Korean version of Jung’s Map Of The Soul says for the last 3 years since its release, the book sold 2,500 copies. After it was revealed to be in BTS reading list (books related to BTS) last year, it sold around 10,000 this year alone.”

Jung’s Map of the Soul - A Conversation with Murray Stein Pt.1 with BTS Radio UK, Mar. 30, 2019

TV Chosun News Mention of Jung’s Map of the Soul on Korean news channel, Mar. 29, 2019 (YouTube video)

‘Persona’ Comeback Trailer Video for BTS’ upcoming release, Map Of The Soul: PERSONA, Mar. 27, 2019

Dr. Murray W. Stein talks about his book Jung’s Map of the Soul and BTS on the Speaking of Jung podcast reddit post on r/bangtan, Mar. 26, 2019

KPOP LIFE TV Video review of this episode in English with Korean subtitles, Mar. 26, 2019

Dr. Murray Stein’s Comments About BTS’ ‘Map Of The Soul: Persona’ Are So Insightful Article about this episode by Tara Martinez, Elite Daily, Mar. 25, 2019 (Korean translation)